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Sep. 8th, 2010 01:45 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Well as I was starting work on my future house in Sheffield I got a call
Email from Norton Motorcycles. Basically what it said was:
We have a vacancy for a Web/IT Developer, to basically run the IT Department.
If you are still Interested would you be kind enough to give me a call.
Norton P.A. Lady
So basically they have upped the Salary from 25k which was on offer last time
to 28k, but I mentioned that I am now on 33k she has said she'd try to get
30k going up to 33k in 6 months once we are happy everything is working. It's
only 20 days holiday as opposed to the 25 days I have with Kids but the working
hours are flex-able. Barstewards, i was all settled into what i was going to
be doing for the next xx years and now this comes along. I am seriously conflicted.
Kids
Advantages
33k (which will probabaly go up)
25 Days paid Holiday
Fairly Flexiable working ours
Seems fairly Stable.
Disadvantages
All the Code is a steaming pile of pooh with no documentation!
Norton Motorcycles
Advantages
Clean Slate for coding, complete new start.
It's Norton (working around motorbikes)
Disadvantages
Like be a paydrop (3k)
only 20 days Holiday
Flexiable Working hours
Longer Commute that Kids
I have the last few weeks been a little unhappy with the code I am inheriting
from the company that built it, and i'd feel bad letting them down by leaving
to go to Norton. Argh, but Norton has more scope for advancement as i said before
I'd be ground level for running the IT Department but its a risk.
I guess the question is if i don't try it would I regret it?
Help!
Email from Norton Motorcycles. Basically what it said was:
We have a vacancy for a Web/IT Developer, to basically run the IT Department.
If you are still Interested would you be kind enough to give me a call.
Norton P.A. Lady
So basically they have upped the Salary from 25k which was on offer last time
to 28k, but I mentioned that I am now on 33k she has said she'd try to get
30k going up to 33k in 6 months once we are happy everything is working. It's
only 20 days holiday as opposed to the 25 days I have with Kids but the working
hours are flex-able. Barstewards, i was all settled into what i was going to
be doing for the next xx years and now this comes along. I am seriously conflicted.
Kids
Advantages
33k (which will probabaly go up)
25 Days paid Holiday
Fairly Flexiable working ours
Seems fairly Stable.
Disadvantages
All the Code is a steaming pile of pooh with no documentation!
Norton Motorcycles
Advantages
Clean Slate for coding, complete new start.
It's Norton (working around motorbikes)
Disadvantages
Like be a paydrop (3k)
only 20 days Holiday
Flexiable Working hours
Longer Commute that Kids
I have the last few weeks been a little unhappy with the code I am inheriting
from the company that built it, and i'd feel bad letting them down by leaving
to go to Norton. Argh, but Norton has more scope for advancement as i said before
I'd be ground level for running the IT Department but its a risk.
I guess the question is if i don't try it would I regret it?
Help!
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Date: 2010-09-09 09:05 am (UTC)Our place gives 20 for staff grade, and 25 for management grade, but also give the three days between Xmas and New Year for 'free'. So effectively 23 days and 28 days, IME this is very generous. I've seen plenty of places that give a bare 20 days to everyone, then force you to take three of those when the office closes at Xmas.
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Date: 2010-09-09 09:08 am (UTC)Bank Holidays sure add up.
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Date: 2010-09-08 12:58 pm (UTC)£33k for an IT Manager is an insult (never mind £25k), I was earning more than that as an IT Manager/Dev 13 years ago. Ok, I'm in London, but right now I'm paying some first line support guys more than that.
That asside, my take would be that if Norton want you, they need to not just match but exceed the money you are on now. That's how the game is played. If they don't, then they don't value you enough. Your value is what someone is willing to pay for you, not what they have available. You also want to secure an increase now as there is a reasonable chance that pay rises will be few and far between down the road if you make them jump now.
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Date: 2010-09-08 01:08 pm (UTC)I'm biased btw...
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Date: 2010-09-08 01:21 pm (UTC)Yeah, it feel weird being surrounded by so many nice, friendly
and hopefull people. I'm used to cynisim. Regardless working for
Norton is much more appealing thought not neccisarily better
stastistically.
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Date: 2010-09-08 02:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-08 01:17 pm (UTC)first and last stop for everything IT related no doubt. The fact is is in education a friend who is effectively a manager is on less than that. I don't really want to go down the payscale from 33k now i've got here, if they'd got me before i started here i'd happily have taken 30k.
The thing is as well is the people and the work place is great but the code is horrible, and your talking at least 2 years to re-write it all and in the mean time i have this monster to fix
and maintain, where as at Norton i'd have free reign.
The money and the worry over how the handled it the last time round is my main worry. Realistically though if they went out
I'd imagine they could fill the role very easily tbh at 28k esspecially in the current climate.
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Date: 2010-09-08 02:55 pm (UTC)Don't compromise your market value. If someone is happy to pay you 33k for a straight dev job, you really don't want to be taking a pay cut for increased responsibillity. Bear in mind that as Cat points out, the market rate for charities is lower than private companies, so if a charity is willing to pay you £33k, it's ludicrous for a private company to offer less money for more responsibillity.
They might be able to fill the role for £28k, but they run a high risk of getting a muppet. If they are lucky enough to avoid that fate, anyone switched on will rapidly want more cash or will just move on to someone else who will pay a decent rate. Anyone who doesn't should be working for a charity where such altruism will be properly utilised.
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Date: 2010-09-10 10:59 am (UTC)Marquis
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Date: 2010-09-08 01:12 pm (UTC)I suspect that working with Norton will turn out to be less of a benefit than you think. And, personally, I'd put doing socially valuable work about working for a company that makes a product I like.
And, yes, you will probably regret it - "we regret more that which we do not do than that which we do do" - but there will be regrets whichever way you turn. Life choices are always going to be like that.
Good luck!
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Date: 2010-09-08 01:41 pm (UTC)Just remember to sort me out some track time ;o)
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Date: 2010-09-08 04:13 pm (UTC)Happiness is individual, money is part of it but only part. So is work loads and stress (give me stress or I don't have a fulfilling job). So is power and autonomy. What will make you happy. Xx
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Date: 2010-09-08 04:51 pm (UTC)That said I'm doing 1st/2nd line for a Charity for 21k, so I'd be happy with either frankly. Depressingly, if I factor in cost of living I'm probably getting paid less than I did 10 years ago and still doing the same job.
It's all gone a bit wrong...
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Date: 2010-09-08 05:48 pm (UTC)Is there any way you could suggest to the people at the kids job about developing a new code?
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Date: 2010-09-08 06:01 pm (UTC)I smell a rat here - first of all, out of hours working. Second of all, whoever took that job has scarpered pretty quickly. Perhps being paid as a developer but actually running the department isn't as much of a bonus as you think???
Also, a paydrop + longer commute will equal less money overall - unless the staff discount is really good! :)
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Date: 2010-09-09 09:11 am (UTC)You get what you pay for in employment and if they are only willing to pay peanuts....
Norton need to do a reality check, and since Mr Fuzzy is most definitely not a monkey, he should not work for peanuts. If you want to do charity work, do it for a charity.
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Date: 2010-09-08 07:58 pm (UTC)I can see you really fancy the Norton job, though, so I'd contact them and say that you would only consider it as IT manager, with an actual payrise and the same holidays as you have. If they want you, they should pay properly.
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Date: 2010-09-08 08:57 pm (UTC)More to your point: I think the real question is, do you want to work for Norton?
Nothing you've listed in your evaluation of the choice is more important than that. At least not the way I see it.
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Date: 2010-09-09 07:44 am (UTC)It's not all about the money. Chose what is right for you.
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Date: 2010-09-09 10:12 pm (UTC)Also is it mainly because motorbikes are involved that you really want to work for Norton, if it was just another company selling, lets say shoes, would you still be interested for the same money/holidays thay are offering ?
I think miss_squiddy might have a point, all might not be as it seems.